On 30 Sep 2019, at 12:13, José Suárez-Varela <jsuarezv(a)ac.upc.edu> wrote:  Hi Nathan, The code in the demo notebook is used only for delay inference, not for training. In this code, we load a model that we trained using the RouteNet implementation in "routenet_with_link_cap.py". Then, we load samples from our datasets (generated with our packet-level simulator), make the inference with the RouteNet model and finally compare RouteNet's predictions with the values of our ground truth. In this case it is not necessary to normalize the output parameters (i.e., delay) since we are not using them for training. We only normalize the input parameters of RouteNet (traffic and link capacities). Note that we then denormalize RouteNet's predictions to compare them with the real (denormalized) delay values of the ground truth (variable "label_Delay"): predictions = 0.54*preds + 0.37 Regards, José El 28/09/19 a las 17:28, Nathan Sowatskey escribió: > Hi > > I have noted that the normalisation applied in the demo notebook here: > > https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/dem… > > Does not apply the same normalisation as the code here: > > https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/cod… > > Specifically, delay is not normalised in the demo notebook. > > The demo notebook loads a checkpoint from here: > > https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/tree/master/tra… > > This model, then, was created without normalising the delay also. That implies that the code that was used to train that model is not the same code that is in the routenet_with_link_cap.py code at the link above. > > In simpler terms, the demo notebook prediction does not work if the delay is normalised as at routenet_with_link_cap.py#L85. So, the code for training given in this repository is not compatible with the demo notebook and the trained model used as an example. > > Regards > > Nathan > > > _______________________________________________ > Kdn-users mailing list > > Kdn-users(a)knowledgedefinednetworking.org > https://mail.n3cat.upc.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kdn-users

On 8 Oct 2019, at 16:54, José Suárez-Varela &lt;jsuarezv(a)ac.upc.edu&gt; wrote: Hi Nathan, Normalizing the input and output values is a well-known technique to provide training stability to Deep Learning models in general. Usually, if the input and output variables of the model follow a normal distribution [N(0,1)], it is easier for deep learning models to learn the data. This does not necessarily mean that the model won't work if you don't normalize the data, but it often facilitates the loss of the model to converge during training. You can see this as an optimization technique. A common approach is just to measure the mean and standard deviation on your training dataset (or a representative subset) and normalize individually each variable by applying a linear transformation [i.e., (x - mean)/std. dev.]. This is what we did in the ACM SOSR paper. However, another approach that we experimentally tried is to select the normalization function based on the value distribution of each variable. Then, in the case of RouteNet with nodes (https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/network-modeling-GNN/blob/mas… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/network-modeling-GNN/blob/master/routenet_with_forwarding_nodes/routenet_with_forwarding_nodes.py>) we analyzed the distribution of delays in our training dataset (not public yet) and given that the distribution had a lot of density for low values and a long tail for large values we thought that using a logarithmic function to normalize could be more beneficial (and it was eventually) to make the delay distribution seen by RouteNet closer to a normal distribution. Note that the parse function in our code reads the data from the dataset (tfrecords). Then, when you normalize the delay labels (features['delay']) it means that you take the delay values from the ground truth (obtained by our packet-level simulator) and normalize them. To train RouteNet we need supervised data (with labels), then we normalize the labels from the ground truth (features['delay']) and use them to train the model. Once RouteNet is trained you can use it to produce predictions. In this case the model is fed only by inputs (i.e., traffic, topology, routing) and it produces an output value. If it was trained with normalized output labels, it will produce normalized outputs and it is necessary to apply denormalization to get the real values. In principle, during evaluation you can ignore the delay values (features['delay']) in the parse function given that they are the labels used for training (i.e., the output of our simulator). Regarding the code in the following link: https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/cod… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/code/routenet_with_link_cap.py#L84> The parse function was used to train the RouteNet model. In this case we normalized the data before we introduced it to RouteNet. It means that, once the model is trained, we need to denormalize the output delay values of RouteNet to obtain the actual delay predictions. Then, in our demo notebook (https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/dem… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/demo_notebooks/demo.ipynb>) we loaded a model already trained. Note that to make predictions with RouteNet, the training delay labels (features['delay']) are not needed anymore. However, in this demo we wanted to compare the predictions made by RouteNet (after denormalization) with the values produced by our simulator in a separate dataset that wasn't used for the training. Then, we retrieve the actual delay values of the simulator (features['delay']) without denormalization. Also, since we normalized the output labels of RouteNet during training (in the function parse in "routenet_with_link_cap.py"), we need to apply the reverse function to denormalize the delays: Training ("demo-routenet/code/routenet_with_link_cap.py"): parse function: if k == 'delay': features[k] = (features[k] - 0.37) / 0.54 --> Delay labels normalized used to train RouteNet Evaluation ("demo-routenet/demo_notebooks/demo.ipynb"): pred_Delay, label_Delay = sess.run([predictions, label]) "label" --> Real values produced by the simulator (label = features[target] = features['delay']) predictions = 0.54*preds + 0.37 --> Denormalization applied to RouteNet predictions during the evaluation phase to obtain the real delay values predicted. Note that this is the reverse function of the one applied in the training (function parse in "demo-routenet/code/routenet_with_link_cap.py"). I hope this will clarify all your doubts. Regards, José El 6/10/19 a las 09:55, Nathan Sowatskey escribió: > Thank you José. > > I am trying to make sense of this, so I appreciate you bearing with me. The normalisation seems to be fundamental to how RouteNet is used, but also seems not to be discussed anywhere, so I just have the clues in the code to work with. > > In my experiments, I have performed the training with the delay input normalised, and not normalised. > > Predictions with Delay Normalised as an Input Variable > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If I normalise the delay input value, and (de)normalise the predictions, I get results like this (this is with a checkpoint 51211). > > <Screenshot 2019-10-06 at 09.24.50.png> > > <Screenshot 2019-10-06 at 09.27.59.png> > > Looking at these results, one could draw the conclusion that the end-to-end process is working as expected. What is not explained, though, is the reasoning behind the normalisation. > > You do say in your response below, though, that “it is not necessary to normalise the output parameters (i.e., delay) since we are not using them for training”, which seems perfectly sensible. Given this, common sense, point, I don’t understand why the delay is normalised in the parse function here: > > https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/cod… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/code/routenet_with_link_cap.py#L84> > > That parse function is used when reading the TF records data and passing it to the model during training. So, transforming the delay value at that point doesn’t make sense given that we are not using it for prediction. > > Since the demo notebook does also (de)normalise the predictions, it seems as though the trained model in the supplied checkpoint 260380 actually was trained with the delay value normalised, and so it had to be (de)normalised in the notebook, which is the result I have reproduced here. > > There is no explicit rationale provided for normalising the target variable, or the other input variables, though. If this is required here, then it might be for scaling purposes. If that is the case, then I would suppose that there is some analysis that you have done to determine the appropriate scaling factors. If that analysis does exist, it might have been published somewhere I have not found yet. > > What might, also, make sense is if the delay is normalised when the code is being used with jitter as the prediction target, but the code seems to be all about delay at this stage. > > As I note above, since the normalisation appears not to be discussed anywhere, I only have the clues in the code to go on. > > Predictions without Delay Normalised as an Input Variable > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For comparison, I have also trained without the delay value normalised, but with the traffic and link_capacity normalised, as below in the parse function: > > if feature == 'traffic': > features[feature] = (features[feature] - 0.17) / 0.13 > if feature == 'link_capacity': > features[feature] = (features[feature] - 25.0) / 40.0 > > I also do not normalise the predictions, and I get results like this from a checkpoint 5904 (which is to say an early stage in the training): > > > <Screenshot 2019-10-06 at 07.59.12.png> > > > > <Screenshot 2019-10-06 at 07.59.22.png> > > Given these results, it looks like the model I am training, without normalising delay either as an input variable, or denormalising the delay predictions, is providing reasonable predictions (given that it has only been trained for a relatively small number of training steps). > > Conclusion > --------------- > > A possible conclusion is simply that I have broken something in the way in which I have refactored your original code. You will see, though, that I have been careful to also write extensive unit and smoke tests, so I have confidence that my refactoring has not changed the original functions of the code. > > My code, though, seems to produce reasonable predictions for delay without normalisation of the delay. Of course, I am still using your original normalisation for the traffic and link capacity, without understanding why yet. > > What are your thoughts please? Has the normalisation that you are employing been discussed anywhere? > > Many thanks > > Nathan > > > > >> On 30 Sep 2019, at 12:13, José Suárez-Varela &lt;jsuarezv(a)ac.upc.edu <mailto:jsuarezv@ac.upc.edu>> wrote: >> >>  >> Hi Nathan, >> >> The code in the demo notebook is used only for delay inference, not for training. In this code, we load a model that we trained using the RouteNet implementation in "routenet_with_link_cap.py". Then, we load samples from our datasets (generated with our packet-level simulator), make the inference with the RouteNet model and finally compare RouteNet's predictions with the values of our ground truth. >> >> In this case it is not necessary to normalize the output parameters (i.e., delay) since we are not using them for training. We only normalize the input parameters of RouteNet (traffic and link capacities). Note that we then denormalize RouteNet's predictions to compare them with the real (denormalized) delay values of the ground truth (variable "label_Delay"): >> >> predictions = 0.54*preds + 0.37 >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> José >> >> El 28/09/19 a las 17:28, Nathan Sowatskey escribió: >>> Hi >>> >>> I have noted that the normalisation applied in the demo notebook here: >>> >>> https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/dem… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/demo_notebooks/demo.ipynb> >>> >>> Does not apply the same normalisation as the code here: >>> >>> https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/cod… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/blob/master/code/routenet_with_link_cap.py#L85> >>> >>> Specifically, delay is not normalised in the demo notebook. >>> >>> The demo notebook loads a checkpoint from here: >>> >>> https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/tree/master/tra… <https://github.com/knowledgedefinednetworking/demo-routenet/tree/master/trained_models> >>> >>> This model, then, was created without normalising the delay also. That implies that the code that was used to train that model is not the same code that is in the routenet_with_link_cap.py code at the link above. >>> >>> In simpler terms, the demo notebook prediction does not work if the delay is normalised as at routenet_with_link_cap.py#L85. So, the code for training given in this repository is not compatible with the demo notebook and the trained model used as an example. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kdn-users mailing list >>> >>> Kdn-users(a)knowledgedefinednetworking.org <mailto:Kdn-users@knowledgedefinednetworking.org> >>> https://mail.n3cat.upc.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kdn-users <https://mail.n3cat.upc.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kdn-users>